Hugh, How would you rate the fruit of Coys doctrine? Robert J. Just one. Closet. Maybe perhaps there is hope. That body recommends candidates for higher legal office to the governor. He didnt go after anyone who left. He was the son of Joe Gibbs, a five-time NASCAR Cup Series championship winning owner and Pro Football Hall of Famer. Thank God for grace and mercysince none of us is without sin. Why is same-sex marriage an issue in the election of the new Scottish First Minister? Pastor bob always taught us to keep our eyes on Christ not man. It would be good to listen to her insight. You chose to join in I did not initiate the conversation. I think so in time. Red herring. Hundreds left or found other churches while Calvary scrambled to find a new leader, eventually settling on Pastor Doug Sauder, a less flashy but respected veteran of the organization. I was feeling horrible.". Michael, mainstream christian media is PR only. No one in the NT saying as was said by the prophet Isaiah, when the 1,000 yrs comes.. Not everyone has the same weakness so Let him who has no sin throw the first rock ! I just wish I could walk away from everything with millions in my pocket when I get caught. And what about the women who throw themselves at a man saying suggestive things zany wearing provocative clothing with the intent of tempting them? Unless you live in this area you have no idea the influence BC has had on it. You never know what youd do if you were in his position.thats like a bum saying hed never do what a rich man would do. Were total screw-ups, we readily admit it, but youre a damn fool to try to get a read on Jesus Christ from any of us. Your turn. Lots of things. Answer truthfully now! To know love is the greatest..certainly the church body has some seeking to do. The churchs assets are around $135 million, according to the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability. To err is humanto forgive..divine. Pastor Bob has always reminded his congregation that they should look to Christand not to man. 9 For three and a half days some from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. 13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and they that harass Judah shall be cut off; Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim. I pray that Bob Coy hasnt left decades of bodies in his wake, and I will be praying for them (nameless as they may be to me) and for his church and family to recover. That is pretty poor turnout given the news and I wonder how many of the 7500 already knew something was up anyway. In 1998, financial trouble due to a $465,000 loss from a bankrupt customer led Coddington to re-organize Boyd's Wheels and partner with his eldest son (Boyd Coddington, Jr.). really? Let the body of Christ refuse to sever a member. Repent, and live Not good. They told me about some others they knew who were part of the less prestigious meals. Unless you are being slanderous libel and defamation of character. Its all good. 7 The cow and the bear shall graze; their young shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. Just as Peter recovered after his denial of Christ. Returning to a CC isnt returning to folly unless you know its folly. [10] He didnt repent of his wrongdoings when he hurt children or their parents. The interpretation is right there in the text he is telling the listeners that they are witnessing that very event.. You can keep attacking Luther it doesnt phase me one bit. "Our pastor, he committed adultery with more than one woman. Christ the Rock suffered its own scandal a while back and I heard that Pastor set up camp at a near location. Yes, God judged him, but was restored, and he was still king, leading the people. This blog had nothing to report except for what some very connected church leaders gave the writer to report. Please adjust your headline to resign. If Acts 2 is correct and the reign of Christ is a current event then the 1,000 yrs has actually been almost 2,000 yrs already. As someone that leans amill and reformed, its all I can do to bite my tongue jeesh. That is indeed, spiritually scary. Anyone can fall at anytime ! Can you show me where I have expressed a uniquely Luther position? Ever. He was already richI. I call it the most bs example and cop out of all the other bs to come down the CC pike over the years. Hugh. ok. CCFL is currently led by Pastor Doug Sauder. I think thats a YES! So please put blame where blame is due, Bob Coy. Fidel has mentioned cheating on Theresa several, several times during his sermons. Actually CCFL did issue a media/press release so in that sense they are using the media to get the word out about the situation. A woman told Coral Springs Police she had recently learned something terrible: A South Florida man had molested her daughter for years. The internetbeing able to attend service from your computer also became possible. Back 160 yrs ago Martin Stephan led the Lutherans from Saxony to America. Hes off the list of pastors, the history of the church gives no mention of him, and the sermon library is unavailable at this time. It was about Joshua getting into the promised land-thats why I had thought it was graduation. I have trust issues and the thickest walls imaginable. Part of HuffPost Religion. Someone needs to tell so many of the poor men with ordinary jobs I have known throughout life who cheated anyways that they were breaking a stereotype. Thank you Bob Sweat, Paige and others who have gone through thisthank you for speaking truth and speaking with love and grace. 3 And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth. 4 They are the two olive trees and the two lampstands, and they stand before the Lord of the earth.[a] 5 If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. Seven is the perfect number: a week of years: a complete revolution of time accompanying a complete revolution in his state of mind. Jamieson, Fausset & Brown. One of the gals from Saturday Night live attended- I forget her name and they really used that to their advantage-she was mentioned. Leave your address so we can show up and stone you as a false prophet. Coy has had a national ministry, not just one to the local church and his fall is a matter of national news. Bob knew all the more well what he was doing, there wasnt some demon forcing him into this action. RiBo @ 145 Yes, all the more evidence that men are still sinners after they are savedthere is no transformationmen still sin in the same or different areas as before they were saved.. And we now have media Pastor?? The Holy Spirit is still at work. My goodness brothers & sisters!!! LOL. "God is with us all who learn and grow so much from a man who always reminded us he was human and not one is perfect not even Pastor Bob but God gave him a purpose and he did well by God. 3rd, there is a difference between millennialism and dispesationalism . My prayers are for them that they dont fall away, that they dont dismiss this and purely look the other way. ATTENTION TO RIGHT HOLDERS! Coy is guilty. I was able to get some details on the matter and published yesterday afternoon. You mean like Jesus was a bull in a china shop and came in and turned over the money changers and made a whip and judged that which did not belong in the house of God, just like these false doctrines that contradict Gods word, do not belong in the church of God, dead doctrines that reveal themselves in the festering fruit, Ive been to these reformed churches Calvanist churches, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Reformed Episcopalian, etc, and for the most part are stiff with doctrinal rigor mortis, so its readily apparent why Satan has injected these doctrines early on into the church, as you see the ineffectual fruit if produces. Lets wait and see how many women he defiled. Even some well known senior pastors have some unopened closets from the days of their youth. isnt she half of the problem? I truly pray for him and his family. It's still not clear how Coy's sexual indiscretions came to light in 2014. Bob Coy, founder of Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale in Florida who resigned as senior pastor over moral failings in 2014, has been accused of molesting a girl when she was 4 years old and into her teens. The problem here is, that you are a skeptic, period. He is always hanging out ask him:). John Macarthur has been teaching that one can take the Mark of the Beast and still be redeemed for more than 30 years. And so are you. Bakker was a victim of his own beliefs. What happened at Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale? The church should set a mechanism for those that dont know how to deal with their sin to discretely discuss it and decide how to move forward. You got that right, MLD is probably 300 lbs., sitting on a big leather sofa eating popcorn as he writes, with three cats purring around him, while his wife yells from the other room, get off the computer and take the trash out as he answers in a moment, I gotta write one more thing, I have no sympathy for adulterers, may they rot in hell! And then he prays to himself, Thank you God that I am not like that Bob Coy!. all speculation your honor. Look in Daniel 1 v 20. And on a wing [of the temple] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. Many evangelicals get saved and still do the same sins as before or trade them in for worse sins. But Newnham says the pastor still has more to answer for especially because his sources say Coy has been trying to mobilize investors to start a new church. Hugh, Crap, another curse? 29 Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. Was he so selfish that his ego got so big he was ABOVE THE LAW??? It is my hope and prayer that you find healing and peace. Based on what you know about this situation, would you confirm Coys doctrine did not produce sound (healthy/whole) fruit? You are covering for a very scary thing. I am praying for him, his family, and his church. Do you worship Jesus as God incarnate, The Lord, The Creator, The Giver of Life? The next level of givers got to have a dinner with them with more people, the next level got a buffet dinner> The next got a lunch buffet and then some got nothing.. This website is, usually, dominated by people that hold to one very narrow view of eschatology. Mary! You have defended your right to report the story, which I cannot dispute, and have vigorously expressed that those who disagree are killing the messenger or throwing you under the busbut my point was not to indeed do such, but to state that, due to the lives that are affected by this story (his family), and yes, by his sin, which I do not excuse in any way, that it may not have been in good humanity or taste to have reported the story before the church did on April 6. But there is a big difference. Please download this free book to help men you know establish Gospel-centered accountability that lasts: Coming Clean: Overcoming Lust Through Biblical Accountability. http://www.covenanteyes.com/accountability-partner-ebook/, I think quoting one of the ten commandments isnt politically correct, Having read some of the comments posted, I am dissapointed at the lack of compassion and those with self-righteous attitudes. This thread is too important and affects too many people to allow the personal conflicts on it. I sincerely hope you prayed about this before you set out to broadcast it to the entire world. I am sure he showered, put on clean underwear. I digress. Here we are, with sicknesses, war, hate, famine, destruction world wide. Every man in my life has had some struggle with it, in some way. By sheer volume in the epistles, doctrine is brought up more than moral issues. I am telling them to let him recover his heart, name and honor. Diane also drew a picture for the jurors _ a roadway, a few trees and two trucks. We have an enemy and it is not Pastor Bob. Let me answer some of your comments posed as questions: I doubt anyone has any idea where the 103 million was used. Maybe more need to hear it. - -, - : - , -, , . The governing board of the church is providing counselors and ministers who will help guide him through the process of full repentance, cleansing and restoration, the statement reads. Coy soon upgraded again, by moving to a warehouse in Pompano Beach, where thousands came every week to watch him preach. You are a funny guy 1st you quote to me Jamieson, Fausset & Brown, and then you tell me you JUST READ THE BIBLE which is it. I have visited Potential Church and Church by the Glades and they fall under the seeker resurrgence apostasy movement, watered down gospel, entertainment, FALSE church. Please remember there are family members who may well read the words you are writing one day. Now lets help him get back to his feet. Charles Ward SmithJune 25, 1927 Ventura, California, U.S. October 3, 2013 (aged 86) Newport Beach, California, U.S. The inner circle or big givers got to have dinner with DC and BC. This is very important Michael. Ill be blunt. She subsequently said she does not want the abuse made public and even asked for the record to be destroyed, though she was informed that that would be against the law. MLD In your desire to make the scriptures fit with your predisposed interpretation, youre assigning a secondary meaning that the text does not warrant, the text is giving us a period of time not a symbolic application as you are trying to assert. They are serious brothers and members of the body of Christ and you should give honor if you want to be treated with honor. The fig tree was a representation of the leadership in Jerusalem and what did Jesus say to it when it had no fruit? (Flores was eventually convicted of sex with the minor.). You will tow the line no matter what. So here is one for you. Let the matter sort itself out and let him rail away like a coyote in the night wind. Actually that is not in the Bible a humorous mistake for a literalist. Thats not being victimized, thats being tempted by women who need healing not exploitation. [6] That needs to stop and maybe this will be the watershed moment for that to happen. No one even asked. The reference is not to Rev 5 But to Isaiah 11, which speaks of the millennium. He and his wife actually had real world experience risking their necks for the sake of the gospel and giving the selves for themselves for the least of the lost in war torn Liberia in the late 90s. It is plain as day but these are the same folks who bring us blood moons, 1,000 yr earthly Jesus reigns raptures etc.. , Macarthur being grossly misrepresented? Lol, they remind me of the dwarves in The Last Battle, who couldnt see the reality of Aslans return because they were so locked up in their dark world (help yourself to the symbolism there mr. Calvins disciple, plenty there for you)! Nobody handed him the keys, he built this church. Was God behind it? Anon I always thought it was a collaborative effort mostly with Hickling (the most knowledgeable of the bunch, based out of TN I think ) etc. There are MANY CC satellite churches in this whole region, all 3 counties, that beam him in via video for Sunday services all of them depend on BCs teaching and preaching. His daughter, Janette Manderson, and his widow, Kay, sued the organization, alleging its leaders conspired to take over Smith's empire and even denied him emergency medical care on his deathbed. The conversation is humorous. When we forget that, thats when we abuse the offices entrusted to us, men and women both. Give me a break. I should have welcomed you to the site and clarified your thoughts before firing one over your bow. Make your own application. My only advice for you regarding any place that is demanding blind loyalty/obedience is this: run and find a place where you trust the pastor and yet also feel that you have the freedom for healthy disagreement. Bob asked me to remove that message, but, I completely agree. If Bob Coy can only draw a crowd by comedy, then that tells you the nature of the whole place. My step-dad CC pastor did that same thing as well. Who ever got that car? This is a blog for scoffers, haters and mockers! Money creates a disconnect. I hope wiser minds prevail. It never happened. He confessed. see thats where it gets tricky. Whats George Zimmerman up to these days? Im a line cook (staff member) at Calvary chapels restaurant The Grill, I went to the church staff meeting at 2:30 today (4/6/14) where this information was officially announced. Really? He claims his record as pastor at Calvary Chapel was unblemished by sexual harassment or molestation claims. I know I personally struggle with being physically attractive enough for my husbands desires. So after some unspecified "very embarrassing behavior," Capitol fired him. Hes being lauded in many places as admirable for that. As a new believer, I was being fed very well at CCFTL with Pastor Bobs teaching. just a question, Michael, you should be able to answer, we all should be transparent, especially you since you are a pastor, you were married right? Not only is he a humble man for someone who held that position for so long but pride does not throw you into that kind of sin, its if anything, coveting what is not yours that does. Its in the public record that for working part time for Grace To You in 2011 he earned $402,000. Personally I think Hughs comments are refreshing and realistic. Also, I notice Chef is no longer listed as a pastor. DIANE COY Diane was born and raised in Southern California where, as a high school senior, she gave her heart and life to Jesus as her Lord and Savior. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. So yes we still sin after salvation as our flesh and spirit do battle and will continue to do so until the day we die. it is entirely an inner journey and it is solely between each individual and Jesus. Evidently the vast reach doesnt include responsibility to inform all those reached. Really. Did you answer the questions? Amen to #639, especially your last paragraph, Ps40. This is not a time to gloat that a prominent CC pastor has fallen. (The cases were settled out of court.). Well said. Bob Coy did not address the congregation on Sunday. When he made them laugh he had them. He really should have thought this one out. If I were in sin, my church would handle it and those who needed to know would know. If Ive just offended anyone, well tough, but read through this thread and I think youll see it, and if you dont, may HE show you sooner than later. Daughter good for you you are healthfully progressing though a normal phase of emotions but I dont understand the point that there was a confession with other pastors. MLD, Im simply asking you to tell me ONE thing that Luther was wrong about in doctrine (in his confessions or from whatever source you like). Do we expose a fraud or recover a brother? Bob Coy is a man.one of the main problems with sheep is that they start to put too much into the pastor, instead of putting it all on the Lord. Very. Now he was locked up in jail. That shows you how much they initially pledged. After doing research, we found that each of these churches are controlled at the top by people who have connections to the ecumenical/interfaith movement and are stealthily drawing the churches into the one world religion of the Antichrist.. fllynn, when you describe their teachings as garbage and nonsense, it isnt the truth it is your ungracious interpretation. If these Calvanistic preterists would have been around at the time when Jesus ascended into heaven, as the disciples looked up, and the angels said, why do you stand here oh men of Galillee, for in the same way you saw him ascend, he will also descend! they would probably have started arguing with the angel, no he cant come back again corporeally, it would have to be spiritually, because its something that our little tiny minds cant understand, we have to reinterpret what you angels are saying, it must mean a spiritual return, dont you hear them saying, it must mean a spiritual mark on the forehead, it must mean a symbolic 1000 years, it must mean a symbolic 7 years. and on and on they go, they remind me of the Sadducees, who denied the miraculous, well the Preterists have nothing to look forward to as we live in exciting times and see prophecies unfolding before our eyes, they are the nay saying Sadducees of our time, and they want to be included within the pale of orthodoxy, as they follow doctrines that deny the power of God and negate the promises of his soon return! It would also give her the opportunity to stop worrying as much. In light of that, the apparent glee/self righteousness voiced by some above/previously sickens me. Id wager something huge that Bob is not who they all think he is. not to cast doubt on your reporting or professional abilities, but this is a serious allegation, and deserves all investigation and information gathering before any public news report is made regarding the particularities of Mr. Coys problemsand those should remain between he and his family in any event! I dont find that in the NT you will need to show me. 15 It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. That is why Mark Davis & Clay heacocks leftthey saw this stuff and said enough is enough!! "There were no other allegations," he says. Flynn, one cannot separate doctrine from practice; the two do not exist separately. Why kick a wounded brother in Christ????? Of course there is grace for sinners, no one is arguing otherwise. CCFTL knew this could break wide open by Friday night/Saturday morning. As per the recent report, his net worth is $ 5 million. It was scheduled and was cancelled. So heres to you hypocrites as you go to bed tonight and pull out the pleasure files! Who is the current pastor of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa? I have looked this for years, and I think there are several groups that are maintaining biblical integrity and calling. The church Coy helped build has moved on without him, but the national Calvary organization has struggled. On a Sunday evening in April 2014, thousands packed into Calvary Chapel's sanctuary, a cavernous space that looks more like a midsize city's convention center than a church. Someday, all our sins will be revealed, you may be surprised who has hidden this type of sin, how prevalent it is, and how many are struggling to not be exposed for fear of being treated like we are treating Bob Coy. Bob, Anons #472 is absolutely true. Depression,anxiety and emotional paralysis can cloud your ability to make healthy decisions and achieve a happier life. Coy has never been criminally charged, and if there were other cases of sexual harassment or abuse in the decades he ran Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale, neither the church nor cops have revealed them. So 100 percent of all complaints should be at those in church leadership who leaked the news.. His family is leaving. Unfortunately, his teaching was very shallow, and a tendency toward story-telling and stand-up comedy in favor of sound, Biblical doctrine was both offensive and disappointing to me asking themselves why they did not recognize the absence of authentic Christian character in the fallen mega-pastor. I have learned some truths I did not like but have stuck around here for a long time. Which is typical of todays modern quick moving world! Interesting and worthy of noting: it was called CC Ft Lauderdale and was never in Ft Lauderdale but Pompano BeachHe was called to Ft. Lauderdale but never ever had a church there. Answer mine first! Thats getting copied and pasted and saved to be used a lot in the future . He has been instrumental in changing and saving thousands of lives, including my own. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. In a lawsuit, a woman named Lori Pollitt said after she had moved from Texas to Idaho to work for Kestler, he repeatedly demanded she divorce her husband, give up her children to adoption, and marry him. BTW, Flynn, that might prove 3 1/2 years of tribulation, not 7. who have been chosen ACCORDING TO THE FOREKNOWLEDGE OF GOD THE FATHER, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance. Now, tell me how you play around and allow yourself to be tempted. Sounds like the sin isnt what concerns you but its about the money. Time for restoration. He informed his congregation 2 weeks before he left- leaving them for over 1 1/2 yrs thinking he was building a new church for them. David was a man after Gods own heart. Andy, you are Eddie Murphy kind of funny. In fact, the concept of an earthly reign of Christ,of any length of time is foreign to the NT.